Daniel Louzonis, a member of the Parents Community and a homeschooling coach, was talking about the TV screen policy.
We should keep asking ourselves: What kind of kids do we want to raise?
If we believe from the reading standpoint that reading is paramount, then we need to remove all the obstacles preventing our kids from becoming avid readers.
Daniel shared his concerns about TV being the biggest obstacle between the kids and them becoming passionate book lovers.
We also talked about:
Smart phones in schools
Books that Daniel mentioned:
Reset your child's brain by Victoria L. Dunckley
Glow kids by Nicholas Kardaras
Watch the video below to learn how to accelerate your children.
Elena Brown, a member of our Parents Community, shared her experience with early learning.
She started with flash cards when her son was only 2.5 months old because it's much easier to start with kids before they can crawl away.
Every day, they try to do:
Watching math DVDs
They have lots of picture books and read together every day. Elena ❤️ reading and tries to read to the little one as much as she can!
On Spotify, they have a playlist with classical music which they listen to.
Elena plans to start the encyclopedic cards program later on.
In her childhood, she was actually homeschooled and liked it so much that she's going to homeschool her son, too.
We discussed what are the benefits of homeschooling, for example:
The ability to follow child's passion.
The opportunity to go deeper in some areas.
The opportunity to get mentors and be in touch with older people who help develop social skills even better.
We had a wonderful chat with Ashly about how does she accelerate her children.
During the interview, she casually mentioned her two daughters read two books per day.
Watch this video to learn more about the tools she used to teach her daughters to read at the very early age.
As a professional mom of six kids, Tamsyn has lots of experience with homeschooling, early childhood education, and acceleration. We discussed her experience with Glenn Doman's methods. Listen to learn more about how 2-3-year-old kids can learn to read and do the math.
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Michal: All right, hi Tamsyn. It's great to talk to you today. I was reading your blog and we were discussing just awhile ago that you are really a professional mother, you have six kids which is really tremendous - tremendous effort I can imagine you invest a lot of time and energy to your kids which is admirable, I know that you for example, homeschool your kids, I know that you were a teaching them some of the methods preached by Glenn Doman so maybe you could discuss these because these maybe could start with that with Glenn Doman and it's something that I started doing with my kids and I would like to, you know, see you see your experience and maybe you know get some insights from your end. The thing that I'm particular interested about, how can you actually do it with all the kids that you have, you know like you - you have six kids.
Tamsyn: Well, not perfectly for one thing. One day at a time but one of the things that's really helped is --- because I did the earlier learning, I'm just going to call it early learning, because it's a combination of a lot of different things that I've done. Glenn Doman is one of the people who has definitely inspired me the most. But anyway, if their really learning one of the big advantages is that my older kids are now able to self learn, or self-teach themselves I just say, now this is your reading and I give them a checklist and I check in on them and make sure they have done their school. And I help them when they need it but the older kids don't require as much from me as much as the younger kids do. So that's part of why that's part of how we balance everything out.
Michal: One thing I struggled with when we started with the reading program or the math program with only two kids at home is that they start to distract each other and you know even when we try to get one you know let's say to the other room, they get, it's always so interesting like what's going on in the other room and then as soon as they are together the whole program is just gone, did you have a similar trouble?
Tamsyn: Yeah that does happen for example, I'm, when I'm doing some of the reading programs with my younger kids, the older kids remember it, it's nostalgia for them they love those programs and they want to watch them too and so it's kind of funny one of the things you asked about is no screen time. I actually do a lot of screen time with my kids but I try to choose good programs and I try to work with the time that I work with one kid is the time that another kid has their screen time, so that kind of helps a little bit because if I'm sitting down with my kid and I'm working with them it's harder for them to get distracted and so my younger kids might be watching you know Your Baby Can Read or something like that in one room while I'm helping the other kids with their math in the other rooms. So, but they do get distracted and that's part of why I'm not anti screen time just because the screen thing is my friend, it helps me get everything done.
Michal: You were forced to!
Tamsyn: What I try to avoid is twaddle and by that I mean like you know if you're reading something there's definitely a big difference between say reading Shakespeare and reading Goosebumps you know, there's twaddle and a lot of screen time is just twaddle but there's also some very high quality educational programs that are made specifically for teaching young children and they work, they really work very - very well done and when I was teaching my oldest kid how to read, Glenn Doman recommends a whole word approach for you look at the words and you teach them the words that mean something to them, you know their nose, their face, mommy, baby, those words that have special meaning for very young children and when, I with my oldest I there are some people who kind of discouraged me and said, no you need to teach them to read phonetically and I tried that and that didn't work so well and then I started doing the whole word like Glenn Doman instead, you know if you want to be successful, do what successful people do.
People who have successfully taught their young children to read mostly to use the whole word method but sometimes - sometimes that doesn't work sometimes you need to do Phonics but for us Phonics has been more of us something that we teach in order to teach our kids how to spell not how to read, the whole word method has worked better for that. So anyway I tried to keep my kid engaged and he struggled and it wasn't until I bought Your Baby Can Read and then we got the grown kids the reader and also Monkey See we've actually I mean I've collected these things over the years and their all such, their all so good. We started with Your Baby Can Read though and it wasn't telling that that screen time for him it was exciting, it was new, it was engaging, it wasn't so much that I was forced it was just that when we got that - that was what worked but then a couple months, he was reading and he had a foundation and I've been teaching him, he knew his ABC's since he was a year and a half, my oldest son though he wasn't reading till he was three and it wasn't until he started really doing the whole word method and Your Baby Can Read was actually if you look at Dr. (Inaudible, 05:26), if you look at some of the videos that he did with daughter, he's using those big red flash cards like Glenn Doman so you know that he was inspired by Titzer when he made his program and it works.
Michal: What was the name of the Doctor, Dr. Titzer?
Tamsyn: Titzer, he's the one who made Your Baby Can Read and there was this stupid lawsuit and now it's called, Your Baby Can Learn because heaven forbid that you say babies can read and say they had to change the name but it's still the same wonderful program.
Michal: I think it's actually interesting how are you, how you are teaching kids phonics verses teaching kids how whole words to read at first, it reminds me of the experience in the kindergarten where my kids go because they actually somehow naturally start with - with phonics, you know they start with you know that ABCD letters and then I was reading the Glenn Doman book he actually says and recommends doing something completely opposite which is to read the whole verse. I like how it's possible that you know there are these best practices apparently, you know or the or the mastered by (Inaudible, 06:46) institutes for that human to human potential and the kindergartens and schools all around the world still teach phonetics at first.
Tamsyn: Yes. Well I think older kids if you want to teach a five year old how to read, I think phonetics makes a lot of sense for an older kid because they have they have the memory capacity to remember you know if you're going to say reading the word catch for example they remember the CA sound by the time they get to the CA sound, they are able to, well their kids are better able to say CA-AT and then know it's a puzzle that they need together to say CAT. Younger kids have a hard time doing that, they remember one thing at a time and you know for example if they you know for a baby, Mommy can have the meaning of Mommy come here pick me up or Mommy I want you to come here and they remember you know one word or one element and so for a young child, for the babies have this amazing linguistic ability to look at the word cat and to visualize a cat and know what cat means and it's easier for a baby to do that to look and understand cat then it is for them to understand CA-AT, you know, an older cat can do that. So for older kids I think phonetic approach to reading still make sense for them I mean even for older kids the whole word method works well, it's a comeback they can do a combination, they can have a more sophisticated approach to learning to read whereas a baby can't do that yet, I think.
Michal: So kids who are two, three, four, years old should learn by the whole verse method right?
Tamsyn: Yes, I think even three or four phonetics will help if their starting but for babies and I'm talking about babies, I have friends I mean, I wasn't this successful but I have friends who their babies were reading, like they were reading a simple story books before they were one years old so there really are babies who have learned to read with this method.
Michal: Before they were one year old?
Tamsyn: Before they were one, you look on YouTube, you'll find those videos and I know some of them. I have friends who have done it on, my ten month old isn't reading but they’re out there. But I do have children that were reading before they were two, I have some videos of my kids that were reading, they were reading a first words in the first books before they were two, so I've had that success.
Michal: Wow that's crazy. So then what is actually the benefit for the kids it's sort of obvious that they can you know read faster or sooner but then what's the benefit comparing to kids who are five, six years old? What do you see as the biggest benefit in your kids?
Tamsyn: That they can read. I mean the biggest benefit is the joy of reading, they love to read, they love to learn about things and I mean it's just it's just a leg up really, I mean (Inaudible, 10:00) of learning to read when you're five versus going to read when your ten. Or leaning to read when you’re ten versus when you're twenty, you can read.
Michal: Don't get me wrong, I'm very passionate the reader and I produce your I have to go through the books into them seventeen so I love reading and I would love my kids to read as soon as they can, it's just sometimes also people ask me like you know if they keep will eventually learn anyways so why to push him or her to read of the age of three and in some cases true what would respond because it's like maybe potty training you know like sometimes here the parents pushed the kid too early without any reason like there is no you know ten year old kid who still you know has diapers.
Tamsyn: And I understand that and I know that's, I know that's what you mean and that's a big hang up for a lot of people but for me that's really my biggest motivation is the love of reading. However, you look at some of the people who are very successful today and they were a lot of them are early readers and so you know, there's a guy who, Elon Musk for example, I'm sorry my throat is dry, Elon Musk for example is, Elon Musk was an early reader and now he reads a book or two every week, I can't remember how much he reads but he reads so much and he has such a broad scope, a broad understanding of the world and how to put different pieces together. He's brilliant, he's changing the world and he was an early reader and part of his ability comes from - from that early education.
Michal: Yeah I think that's petering itself, it's a huge benefit like I could only wish to be a speed reader, I'm definitely faster than maybe an average reader but still you know I'm very far from reading eight hundred or nine hundred words per minute. Now we're talking about reading but C--- and his Gentle Revolution series has some other recommendations for example to teach kids math or just do counting, is that also something you did with your kids?
Tamsyn: I did do the math; I had found that his math program was not as universally successful as his reading program. I have a lot of friends who did the reading program and a math program and some kids get it, some kids were able to do this stuff that Glenn Doman talks about with his math program but it didn't really work for us, it didn't work for a lot of my friends but early, an earlier approach to math does work, kids can be taught math from a young age but his whole (Inaudible, 12:43) just by looking at you know, looking at fifty dots and knowing it's fifty dots versus fifty-one dots, most kids can't do that but it helps them understand a general idea and so it's still a good program but we didn't have the same success with the dot program.
Michal: And how many dots did you get to?
Tamsyn: Ten. I mean, I showed them, I showed them numbers bigger than that, 13:12 way I have little math which is, real kids version of Glenn Doman's math program but, we did that, we did that for program but they weren't able, they weren't able to look at ten dots and know it was ten but they were unable to do any more than that.
Michal: We did some equations so my son who was three (Inaudible, 13:32) he was very excited to do equations, you know with plus and minus and and then I told him you know like I had these numbers (Inaudible, 13:40) those are for little babies, so then he was very excited to do bigger numbers, twenty, thirty, you know he was not able to count but he was very, very passionate to actually you know do this twelve dots plus eleven dots equals, so he like it but then I eventually maybe as you say you know we went similar path as majority of the parents at some point just faded out. I'm actually I am not exactly sure what was the reason.
Tamsyn: (Inaudible, 14:15) what really helped my kids was playing with (Inaudible, 14:17), you know things like manipulative like that and playing with an abacus.
Michal: At some point I thought these (Inaudible, 14:26) are just some toy for kid, is this a real thing that we should be using?
Tamsyn: It's worked really well for us and we have, we have done the, what's the name of it, the starbon abacus they use in Japan, it's got four in the bottom and one on top and the one on top represents five and that really helped my kids to think in terms of different, of realizing different ways that you can add up to ten you know, instead of adding, for example, instead of adding eight to a number you can add ten minus two and it helped them to think about things in, in that kind of a term. So yeah they certainly helped, really helped my kids I think it helped take them to the next level. There are, I have friends who use the Sorbonne to teach mental math and they can use their fingers in mid-air just after you use the Sorbonne so much and they can use it to do mental math and we haven't gotten that far but I know people who have, so yeah I think that the abacus is a great way to go.
Michal: Okay, I'll give it a try. Thanks for the tip. What about the other recommendations from Glenn Doman and he copied the cards is that something you were doing?
Tamsyn: Oh yes, yes we did that too and I think it helped. I made, I made hundreds and hundreds of encyclopedic knowledge cards and they're sitting right over here and I use them with my younger kids. The biggest thing for us with that it's just something for them to read, something that they can hold and learn from, it's more of a resource for us than a program as far as how if you used it. We'll be learning about the ocean so I'll pull out my ocean cards and we'll talk about them but...
Michal: Did you also have the fact all the cards or just the also the facts? That must be a lot of work.
Tamsyn: Yeah, I don't do that as much anymore but I had my time and I only had one and two kids, now I have six and it's hard.
Michal: That's crazy, I cannot imagine it.
Tamsyn: Yeah, it's fun. Yeah the encyclopedic knowledge is great.
Michal: Where do you get information from? Do you just open the encyclopedia and pull it from Wiki or do you have some other reserves?
Tamsyn: It depends yeah I got a lot of stuff from Wikipedia or from you know National Geographic depends on what I was learning about. I got a lot of calendars could I like the size, I didn't ever do the eleven inch by eleven inch, I don't know why Glenn Doman recommends that size because it's awkward. We did eight and half by eleven kids in the United States that's the most common size, that's the size of the laminating sheets that I use, so I laminated my cards so that they would last. But there's like calendars that size or a I would trim them down and so when it was architecture I found I actually went to some websites that were about the different places and just grab some facts from that. When it was flowers, I want to see the botanical sites and when it was animals it was you know was Wikipedia, National Geographic whatever I found I would use.
Michal: Wow, that's cool, that's impressive and how did you organize this program to do did you go through it every day or just once a week? What was your schedule?
Tamsyn: I would try to do, I would try to do this a series of like ten to twenty and I would just do it every day for a little bit until they understood that information and sometimes I'll try to bring him out for review. I'm not inconsistent now as I used to be and to be honest now we just go through and say, hey you need to read something, why don't you read through these twenty cards or these thirty cards today, it's reading material because I put the large font on the back of some of them, so it's something for them to read.
Michal: So would you say that you spend more time with your first or second the kid or now with yours fifth or sixth kid? I mean teaching or going through this stuff.
Tamsyn: Yeah I'm, I just do my best when I only had two kids I had you know all my time homeschooling was on those one, two kids or one, two, three kids. Now I'm split between six and so you know like I said the only kids that are more independant now, so they don't need as much of my time that.
Michal: That's what I would expect the other day they can just read books maybe maybe that's what that's what was your objective you know to teach them really quickly to read so that they can just sit somewhere in the corner and read books.
Tamsyn: Yeah, that's what they do.
Michal: Yeah, that's cool. So how you're teaching style changed from the first or second kid fifth, or sixth, what did you do differently?
Tamsyn: I try to do as much of what I what I did before worked and I have this program that works and I have the resources, I just do my best and I try to do more of what I did back then but...
Michal: So what should we do? Like I have now two kids, I don't have any past experience, I didn't go through any you know parenting program or anything, I'm just trying to learn from other parents like you what would you recommend me doing?
Tamsyn: Well you're off to a great start, you read Glenn Doman's books. I would recommend his books and, like we talked about a little bit before this call started, I am so sorry about my voice getting lost here. He has all of these checklists and all of these I mean it can be overwhelming, Glenn Doman I love, I love what he's taught, I love what he's done for the world, I think his checklists are a little bit too much but I think that the biggest takeaway for me at least from Glenn Doman is to have that have that philosophy that just having the attitude of children can learn, don't underestimate what children can learn, always be talking to your child, always be looking for opportunities to teach them and just doing your best with that as is the biggest you can do.
We have you know, we have online communities, the brocades website has a forum and there's a few different online groups that you can you can join and learn what other people are doing and for me it's more of like, okay I want my kid to learn more about art, so what are people using to teach their kids art and I just look for you know, a great art resource. Or their doing math, what is everybody using to do math you know, if I was better at doing foreign languages I would use the same thing that's working for everybody else, Suzuki is a good program to teach young kids music. So kind of depends on what it is you want to teach and then you just look around and see what people are using for that and buy what you can. Kid Outsource you don't have to do everything yourself. Like this that's kind of goes back to this not know it's not most new time, not no screen time but smart screen time there are some really great products out there that will help you and there are some great books out there just decide what it is you want to teach your kid and find the best way to do it, I guess.
Michal: I see, as you mention the smart screen time, how do you explain the kids what is smart and what is not smart?
Tamsyn: Well there's educational programs and there stuff that's not so educational and they do get I mean I don't give them no screen time at all, they're familiar with Pokeman and they watch some of the Disney movies but during school time it needs to be helping them progress and become better at an academic skill so, Who the Math is a website that they play on and I just look at that as fluff, there's not really a lot of educational value to it. So they can do that during their fun time but there's other programs that really do teach the math and are drilling them, their helping them practice their skills, like Big Brains, what's the name of that company, there's a map for game that they played it really helps the drill they have to take they're being timed while they're doing their multiplication and I look at that as very smart screen time because it's drilling them in a way that it's like flash cards but it's fun for them because their seeing, you know they're walking through a 3D space on this computer so it's fun for them, what's good for my family isn't going to be good for other families.
Michal: I see is it is it still a T.V. or is it like a computer with some educational materials?
Tamsyn: A lot of it is on the computer but there's DVD's and stuff that we have too.
Michal: I see because maybe what many people refer to with no screen time is actually no T.V. screen time like especially when you homeschool them you can literally home school without the computer, I assume from what I've heard, what's even previous to I was referring to is no like you know cartoons or YouTube or no T.V. itself. We actually allowed our kids to watch T.V. like one, two years ago but it will be observed that it was very difficult to get them you know, just do something else after like half an hour an hour just they seem to be really addicted to the T.V. screen they were just staring at it at some time it really seemed even scarier, they didn't spend hours per day it was maybe one half hour maximum but then at some points this is enough, like it's getting out of our hands and then we cut it to zero, we even moved the T.V. screen to another room and since then actually kids cannot watch other cartoons or songs they can listen to songs on Spotify or Google Home but they cannot watch the cartoons and what will be the lot of them is just to you know watch some documentary but only if we watch together on the computer.
Tamsyn: That's a really good point there, watching it with your children is a big, is really helpful. But absolutely it's so - so easy, here I am praising these screen times that we use and it's great stuff but they definitely can become addicted and that's a problem, I would have kids sitting in the other room over having something to do with screen time, so my point exactly, your point exactly, that happens, that's a problem.
Michal: At some point of actually even thought that the older boy to use a timer so he you know he got a phone or he set a timer for fifteen minutes and then he even was able to just turn it off after fifty means that he was already you know trained well for days but then the younger daughter came and she didn't get the concept of because she was maybe one year old so she just saw you know the older brother watching the T.V. and she started screaming like no I also want, I also want and then this that fighting, so, so painful so it's like our lives are so much easier and so much better since we just get rid of the T.V.
Tamsyn: Yeah, you know you have to do what works for your family I mean you certainly don't need screen time to teach your kids, you absolutely don't and I know when I'm going it's helped us a lot is to know have activities that help them on unwind, once we turn the screen off, we're like, okay we're going to turn it off because we're going to do XYZ now, we're going to get automatic you know if you were going to play, we are going to go for a walk or going to you know going to do something afterwards or it's time to eat, having an activity after the screen time, gives them a reason to turn it off and then we don't turn it back on until they're done with their school or whatever you know, so having an activity to unwind helps a lot and like you said, with a documentary like you watch the show with your kids, that's one of the things that's really important like Your Baby Can Read, also signing time I forgot about Signing Time when we were talking, Signing Time is a really good program that you can sit down, you do it with your kids, you know you've got your baby on your lap and you're signing with them and you're singing the songs with them. (Inaudible, 27:18) I am so sorry. (Inaudible, 27:35)
Michal: This is the time that screen time is allowed?
Tamsyn: There is no shame in using the screen as a babysitter when you need it.
Michal: I think as soon as you have six kids then everything changes with six kids I feel like, there are no rules anymore.
Tamsyn: Yeah. I just try to do thins in moderation.
Michal: How do you manage it with six kids that's, I still can not imagine it, how do you do it? What are the rules? I mean, like how do you get the kids to you know, to listen to you?
Tamsyn: I'm not perfect but I think they, I bribe them sometimes, I'm just joking I've had to do that sometimes but we just have rules and they have expectations and they know that any get privileges when they're done with their you know are there certain privileges that they can have when they're done with their work that helps a lot, so yeah I bribe them. But I mean I just one day at a time, just doing my best, that's all anybody can be right. I know schoolteachers do it with fifty kids, that is what blows my mind.
Michal: That's crazy, so now do you plan to homeschool the kids you know for the next ten, fifteen years?
Tamsyn: Yes, I do. I'm a home school graduate myself I know that it works for me and my kids are doing well and their happy and they got lots of homeschooling friends, so now when you know if they don't broke what's what's not I mean if it's not broke don't fix it you know.
Michal: What's actually your motivation to homeschool them?
Tamsyn: I love being with my kids, I love watching them learn, I feel like I can give them a better customized education especially, some of the problems, some of the problems that some kids have with early learning is that they aren't very much ahead and once they start public school their bored, you know. I've got a six year old, he would, he's technically a kidengartner as far as his age is concerned and he would be learning you know Act and instead he's reading chapter books at home, you know, I feel like I can give him a better education as an early as an early learner he learned all of the stuff already. So I can tailor his education for where he's at and help him learn what he needs to learn. So, especially for early learners, I think homeschooling is a better route if you can, if you can.
Michal: So would you say that you would like to accelerate your kids?
Tamsyn: Yes, they're on a accelerated path. I mean early learning, if it's a natural consequence of earIy learning really so and even if I even if I wasn't homeschooling I would be after schooling them. There's this concept of after schooling which is when you can't homeschool but you have an early learning they go to public school and then when they come home you're teaching them that's where their real education starts is because you want your kid to continue to progress, you don't want them to, you don't want their education to stagnate and so even if even if they do go to public school I would recommend after schooling to some degree to whatever degree you're able to just to help them keep their keep their mind stimulated. But for me it's a natural continuation of that. I was also homeschooled myself and I loved homeschooling as a kid so, it's what I know, it's what I'm familiar with.
Michal: After school is actually a cool buzzword, you know there's unschool, homeschool, now it's after school, that's very cool. This is actually I think the first time I heard it.
Tamsyn: Yeah it's kind of a new concept and it's kind of I don't know if it's a term that's widely known or if it's the term that we use in our early learning community and I don't know but that's just what people call it if, because there are a lot of people who can't, in Germany for example it's illegal to homeschool, so what do you do, you know? You have limited options so it just kind of depends on your family situation, some people just can't home school because both parents have to work and it's free babysitting you know I mean you doing your best, you do whatever you can in your situation and whatever country you're in.
Michal: And you're also a teach kids music right, (Inaudible, 32:11) you have some programmers who teach music?
Tamsyn: Yeah I have a music web site, it's I used to teach piano lessons and I had choir and stuff and then when my family got bigger I couldn't do it anymore so I went to the online world and I created a lot of resources there.
Michal: Would you see are the benefits of teaching kids, you know play some musical instrument?
Tamsyn: Well it kind of goes back to the you know to the joy of learning itself, I mean there are so many benefits to music. Music uses your right brain, your left brain and that helps put the two together, you have to think about things mathematically but you're also learning the artistic side of things, it teaches kids rhythm, it gives them, it gives them the satisfaction of you know once you've learned a song and you've done it well and you can form it then you have this, you know it builds confidence when you done that. It also helps you build teamwork because if you're playing music together you have to be precise. There I mean, there are so many benefits of learning music but for me the number one reason is just the enjoyment, I love music, it's fun, it makes me happy, there's something that happens to your brain when you are, when you are learning something in a fun way and music can help with that so I mean, where do I start, my piece of music why would you not want to teach music.
Michal: Yeah, that's a good question but when I look at the evolution of technology these days than there was even the technology that is producing the music itself so I'm thinking you know, do I want my kids to you know become musicians, most likely not so what actually is the benefit I can see the benefit on the kids development but then you know if I really think about spending hundreds if not thousands of hours during that period of ten, fifteen years that maybe the time could be spent elsewhere.
Tamsyn: Yeah, you got to do what's right for your family and certainly there's a lot of, there are so many different worthwhile pursuits, you know, there's athletics, gymnastics, you know even if there's only twenty four hours, everybody has twenty four hours, so you got to decide what's best for your family. So, I certainly don't blame anybody who doesn't want to become a musician but I think that's part of being a well rounded you know, sure I agree with you that a lot of the jobs, a lot of the jobs that people have now are going to be replaced by artificial intelligence, that's happened faster and more and more but do we have, what is the purpose of education, that comes to that question, is the purpose of education so that you can get a job, so that you can be an entrepreneur or is the purpose of an education to be educated?
I think that's the thing that really sets humans apart from the other animals in the world is that we have these amazing brains that can do so many things. I think education for education state is a wonderful thing even if even if you are a janitor and there's nothing wrong with being a janitor even if somebody is just janitor their whole life and they're still going to have a richer more full life if they enjoy reading and they do read and they have something to help them unwind. I mean, Thomas Jefferson when he was writing the Declaration of Independence, he would get stumped and he would go and play his violin for a while, he's not famous as a musician but music helped him and helped his mind process the things the he was, that he needed to do. It's a way to help; it takes your mind to a higher level of thinking. So, why be educated at all if all you want to do is have a nine to five job, you know.
Michal: Nice. Very good food for thought indeed. I can't play a musical instrument I started with ukulele just a year ago for a few months, (Inaudible, 36:30) but at some point hopefully.
Tamsyn: And that's okay, I mean everybody can't do everything, you're obviously, I don't know how many languages you speak but I only speak English so I admire you for that you know.
Michal: Oh no, the kids can speak more languages than I can. That's really crazy how quickly they can absorb languages.
Tamsyn: There you go, I think that a lot of the benefits of music or you know, your kids have the benefit of speaking multiple languages and that gives their brain a high level of thinking so I think, I think that a lot of these benefits I'm talking about can be achieved in multiple ways, so do the best with what you know.
Michal: Okay, thanks, thanks a lot for all the all the quick tips. I think I will need to follow up with all the links that you mentioned.
Tamsyn: I can send you a few links too, if you want.
Michal: That would be awesome. So I hope we will stay in touch and I'm very keen to learn more from you and your wonderful experience.
Tamsyn: Thank you so much, I look forward to getting to know you better too.
Michal: Have a nice day.
Tamsyn: You too, bye.
I had a great chat with another inspiring parent, Michael Haupt. He is a very successful businessman and a single dad of a 3y old daughter. These days he focuses on education, especially in South Africa. We discussed how will the exponential technologies affect children in the next 10 years - a very cool talk!
Hir profile on Parents.Community: @Michael Haupt
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1) His blog: michaelhaupt.com
4) Book: The Everything Toddler Activities Book: Over 400 games and projects to entertain and educate www.amazon.co.uk/Everything-Toddl…29787/ref=sr_1_1
5) TED talk: Build a School In The Cloud www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_…school_in_the_cloud
Michael Haupt: All right, hi Michael it’s a please to talk to you!
Michal: You have a really impressive corporate career, I’ve read that you have about twenty years of professional experience. You were hired multiple times to lead Tech Teams, you are really passionate traveler as you have traveled more than one million miles which is really outstanding and you have three year old daughter which is which is very cool. I can see many similarities with me I also passionate about technology, I Co-founded a travel company and I also have two kids, so it's very cool to see so many similarities in our lives.
Michael Haupt: Awesome thank you very much for the invitation to chat and of course another similarity we have is our love for Thailand, so I guess we will get into that and it's a great pleasure to be talking to you today as I’m also passionate about children, education, and technology. I think an important thing to point out for your listeners is that I’m in no way an expert in the education as I don't have any formal training so the kind of things we'll be talking about today if you're looking at Voice from an academic perspective, this is probably the wrong place for you to be. We obviously be talking about children and the future of them and the future of the planet, these are serious topics and I take them very seriously so I just wanted to set that as a framework of how we go into the discussion today.
Michal: Yes indeed, actually many of the listeners actually are entrepreneurs who are patients of all the exponential technologies and we just like to learn from like-minded parents and discover what other people do. Maybe not that much about things that happen all the times or twenty years ago just because these are the obsolete, so let's just discuss things that we are passionate about such as the exponential technology and how it will impact our kids. I notice that you were elaborating in one of your book posts about parenting, kids who will become adults in twenty thirty, how do you think these experts that authority will impact our kids?
Michael Haupt: it's a great question and I let me maybe just to put into context why I’ve chosen twenty thirty: Two reasons and at that stage my daughter is going to be sixteen years old, so that's the kind of time that she's going to be thinking about what career will she be entering into, so that's one reason. The other reason is that the United Nations has put together their seventeen sustainable development goals with certain objectives they want to achieve by the year twenty thirty. So, on one hand, it is a group of people working on some of the significant challenges that our planet faces, on the other hand, it's my daughter who’s going to be entering the workforce at around that time, and the other is that I think it helps to take a longer term view of where the world is going, rather than looking around and seeing all of the crazy things that are happening around us today and being concerned about maybe a year or two in the future. I think it helps to take a much longer term view so that the decisions that we make take that time scale into account, so that's the reason why I have chosen twenty- thirty.
Now one of the things that really opened my mind over the past two years I've been involved with two Silicon Valley tech startups. We’ve raised a fair bit of funding for them and it meant spending a fair amount of time in Silicon Valley, and the kind of projects that people are working on there now are incredible and I find that in general, parents of children today obviously they are caught up in the day to day stuff of raising kids which is a fair handful. But in the process of being so caught up in that they’re completely unaware of some of the changes coming and you would be aware of it and probably the listeners too about artificial intelligence and robotics and automation and driverless cars and all of these great things that are coming and what we tend to overlook is how that will impacts employment. For me I'm wondering if; it makes sense to assume that they will be no such thing as employment anymore, most of the jobs that we take for granted today are not going to exist in twenty-thirty. Most of it will be automated, many of, even the white collar jobs for example accounting and lawyers decisions and the medical field, all of this is going to change significantly. I.B.M. Watson has upload as, and I’ve forgotten the details of the [Inaudible 04:27] but results of millions of medical studies are now available via on artifical intelligence in I.B.M. Watson. Now, what does that do to a doctor's profession? I just don’t want to be all doom and gloomy here because it’s going to create all kinds of other opportunities too, but it just helps to keep these things in in mind when we thinking about the future of our children and the decisions about what they're going to do for the rest of their lives.
Michal: Indeed and I actually cannot wait for this to happen, just then we went the hospital to see a doctor just last week with my daughter and she went to some ultrasound and some tests, and the doctor was looking at her and saying “yeah, it seems OK just wait and observe for the next three to six months” and then as I was sitting there I was like “yeah I don’t know this just feels a little bit weird”. when you're talking to some doctors and you cannot really be one hundred percent sure that she's assessing it right, maybe she's in a bad mood or maybe she doesn’t have experience or maybe this is such a unique case which will hopefully not, but you have no confidence in the doctor. While I cannot wait for actually, some artificial intelligence powered machine, assessing it based on the millions of cases that the machine actually saw. So yeah, it's really exciting and it will also negatively impact the jobs as you say, so maybe that's not that exciting.
Michael Haupt: Well, the reason and I think we'll get into this later in the call, so the skills that we need to be developing in our children today are not the ones that have been typically successful in the past and we'll get into that when the time is right. But rather than this sounding as it was going to be a doom and gloom call it's not at all, it's very exciting I believe we're on the cusp for something absolutely incredible and that it's a huge privilege for us to be alive right now and for us to be bringing children into the World that’s going be totally different ten or twenty years from today.
Michal: So how should we then prepare our kids for this wonderful age of twenty-thirty or twenty-forty?
Michael Haupt: I wish I knew the answer to that but what I can tell is what's working for me right now, is to as a parent significantly change your mind set about children and so maybe I can give two quick examples of this. When we typically look at birth and raising a child, we assume that the child knows nothing on the day their born and that it's our responsibility to teach them. One of the biggest shifts that have worked incredibly well for me happened on the day that my daughter was born when I looked into the eyes and saw wisdom that I cannot explain, this child knew everything.
So what helps for me is to, and there's no right or wrong here, I don't know whether this is correct and I'm not going to try and prove it scientifically, if it sits well with you then maybe it's a worldview that might worth to take on, but if we can assume that this is an all knowing spirit that has a riot from another world that knows absolutely everything and it has chosen to take on the physical form of a baby, on this planet, at this time. So what we then do with the education system is we, help the child to unlearn everything that it knows as an all knowing spirit. so if you view an education system as taking something,: an entity, a body, a collection of energy and Force fitting them into Will that we've decided runs the way it should run, whereas instead assume that ,” hang on”, this child is here to teach me something, let me shift completely how I think about raising this child, let me allow the child to lead me through its own development and let me be much more aware as a parent of how little I know and how much I've been taught and accepted, and actually we need to question that and say is that the right way of doing stuff? So that's the one big shift for me in terms of preparing her for the future, to see her as the teacher rather than me as the all-knowing adult.
The other big shift is the perspective of how we talk to our children, I will give you two very brief examples that it's actually been very difficult for me to make this shift but we often say that the sun is rising or the sun is setting or the sun is gone behind the clouds, it's a very dangerous set of Words to use that because the sun hasn't gone behind the clouds, the clouds come in front of the sun, the sun is setting, the earth is rotating and that's what causes it to look as if the sun is setting. So this is a huge topic and I don’t know if we will get time to unpack it completely but just to be very careful of the perspective that we use when we talking to our children rather take a galactic view of what's happening around us rather than just our point of perception from where we happen to be on the planet. Does that doesn't make sense?
Michal: Publicly, especially in the first part as you mentioned that the kids already know more than we do, I could imagine that they are much much stronger in curiosity. like the way how my two kids can come up with completely out of books ideas how some things can be done and its really mind blowing and it just reminds me how maybe, I assume I was also curious and creative thirty years ago but then somehow it faded out, especially this creativity that you can just think completely out of the box. How do you think we can support that creativity and the curiosity in our case?
Great question, and if you don't mind another quick rambled on some things that I've discovered. When we talk about creativity, I think it's important to talk about the difference between left and right brain thinking which we're all probably aware of, very simplistically left is the more structured mechanistic logical approach and right is the more creative approach. Now the latest neuroscience research is uncovering a lot more around this very simplistic model, as we know the brain is a very complex mechanism but the big thing that I’ve discovering is that both the left and right half’s of the brain are involved in just about every activity and the two hemispheres of constantly passing information between the two. So it's not as if anybody is typically left or typically right, you do find a predominance but both half’s of the brain are actively involved in each part of it. Now what I was curious to ask about is the difference between the left and right brain thinking is if we look at the rise and fall of various civilizations, Could it be that there was a predominance of either left or right brain thinking at each major moment in history?
So let’s take for example the Renascence, which was typically the right brain; it was a very creative, there was lots of art and music and you saw coming out of that time. Then we moved more towards the left brain around the industrial revolution stage, where we focused very much on Science Technology Engineering math and we built all of the other big structures we see around: the roadworks, networks, railway lines, it was all pretty much the left brain activity.
Michael Haupt: It looks to me now, if we swing more towards right, ever since the nineteen Sixty’s in the hippies movement, people have started questioning and saying, “hang on what's going on in the world right now maybe there's a different way of looking at stuff” and I think that we're right in the middle of that transition right now, If we see the year twenty-twelve as kind of the midpoint. If you imagine a pendulum that swings left to right. I think twenty-twelve and the years around that will pretty much Mark the lowest point of that pendulum swing and we will very much move into much more of a right brain view of the world. Now, if we're in the middle of that transition right now that might explain why the world is so crazy at the moment.
We look at all sorts of weird things going on, Trump is obviously the talk of the news right now and I just see that as this tension between two views of the world and we're trying to figure out what's the best way of doing this. So when we talk about creativity, it's actually more to me than artistic creativity. I think it helps to look at some of the core differences between left and right brain thinking, particularly when we still talking about technology. So technology from a left brain perspective is all about making things cheaper, faster and more efficient. Where is technology from a right brain perspective is all about connection and empathy and nurturing and love, so to me particularly when we’re talking about technology, education, the future and where the planet is going, we need to take those right brain characteristics and make them unpack them some more, if you think your listener will find value in that. But does that discussion or framework around creativity, does it make sense?
Michal: I'm thinking how can we make it practical? In terms of what are the things, we can actually apply in our daily discussions? Knowing if it is left or right hemisphere is essentially important just because we can adjust the words that we say to our own kids. But how can we maybe apply some games or maybe some special sentences that we ask them so that we target the right hemisphere, do you have any thoughts on this?
Michael Haupt: As I said at the beginning before we started recording this, there are plenty plenty of activities that can stimulate this kind of thinking. For me, the big thing is just getting outdoors and just watching how they interact with nature. My daughter randomly without me ever mentioning it to her, started hugging trees and it just warms my heart, where did this child get that idea from, [Inaudible 14:38] I would it want to teach her at a later stage of life because I think there’s a lot of value in connecting with nature like that, but she just came out of it just by taking her for walks out in the mountainside where there are lots of trees.
One book That I highly recommend and I have turned to this many many times because I don't know what kind of activities to do with my daughter, it’s called the everything toddler activities book and it ranges from indoor activities’: Arts and craft, types of things that take them outdoors, it teaches them how to have fun with stars and identifying different planets and so on. It's really an incredible book and it's been a lifesaver for me because often as a parent you run out of ideas of things to do with your children, so rather than me giving you specific ideas, I’d highly recommend going to this book. Each activity is classified by the ideal age group, it Gives you an idea of what kind of Objectives you can achieve with each activity, it’s a fabulous book written by an educator called Joanie Devine and I think you'll share a link with everybody as I highly recommend that book if you're looking for specific activities to do with kids.
Michal: Well Thanks, thanks for [Inaudible 15:49] but when should you find the time to do these kind of activities with your daughter? Do you have some favorite spots during the days?
Michael Haupt: So, one of the things I decided to do is be a lot more active in the raising of my child. so she doesn't go to school yet, she doesn't go to playgroup she doesn’t t go to any external activities, so to me, I’m in a fortunate position right now where I'm in devising a number of companies. I don't have a day job where I have to be in the office at a certain time and so my day job is raising my daughter right now. It's not a case of finding the time, it's a case of me making this a priority and I recognize that's a huge privilege that many parents Wont have and I'm just incredibly grateful that I'm in this position where I can do that and it hasn't been easy. Single parenting is one of the most difficult things I've ever done, I think somewhere in one of my blog posts I've said I’ve run million dollar projects all over the world using multicultural teams and that to me was a walk in the park compared to raising a daughter, So not for a minute saying this is easy but to make the time is to me the priority
Michal: Yeah well, I think many people are very jealous of the situation you are in just because you can rededicate your time and I'm sure you worked really hard the last twenty years just to get there and to have the resources that will actually allow you to and the recommendation that makes it really easy for you to get some consulting, so it's really a unique fore take but let's not forget that there are some substantial hard work behind it which is really great.
Michael Haupt: I've been very fortunate in the way things have turned out and if I can maybe mention at this stage this concept of a golden thread, for everybody no matter where you are in life. significant events have happened in your life and if you take a step back rather than worrying about the day to day stresses and strife that light brings us, it helps every now and then and I do this at the end of every year, just to review what are the significant life things that have happened to me in this year? How do they fit in with what's happened in the past year? And just help see a pattern. Firstly when my daughter arrived she was unplanned, my initial reaction was just to say I'm sorry I'm not dealing with this and I’m quite open about that. In fact, I insisted on an abortion but it was too late to legally have an abortion. So it was a case at that stage of saying, “OK well, if that's the case let’s make the most of this” and it is being another one of those moments in the golden thread of my life that has made me relook at education. I've always written off education, I didn't go to university, I don't have a degree because I was concerned about this total specialization, but now with the arrival of my daughter I’m forced to relook at education and it's such a privilege to me to be able to bring vast marketing and technology experience and add this new dimension of education into it and see how we can make it a difference initially in my country both South Africa where are based now but ultimately because it's a pretty serious conversation that needs to be had.
Michal: Yeah, what do you recall that you have a great to entrepreneur background and I can just sort of copy paste some of the things you were doing as a business manager or entrepreneur manager and you can copy paste this to the education system or even to parenting? I can also see for myself that they are some things that somehow even naturally, fit in the family. So I know that you actually joined the board of education organization called SOLELY, SOLEO, what was the correct pronunciation is it S.O.L.E or SOLEA, how do you call it?
Michael Haupt: It’s, just pronounced SOLE and it stands for self-organize learning environments and I'm very excited about this. It’s a global movement, so wherever you are in the world you might want to look up if there’s a chapter in your part of the world but very briefly the history of this. It was started by Indian chappie based in India Sugata Mitra, if you want to search for a Ted talk that he gave in once in nineteen ninety-nine, where he talked about the vision that he had for the future of education specifically for some children in India and he actually won the first one million dollar prize that the Ted organization gave to particularly creative ideas and he used that funding to build the schooling in Calcutta and the concepts revolves around asking big questions. So one of the big problems with education now days is that we’re teaching children to memorize stuff and in a Google powered world the art of remembering is pretty much obsolete, you don't have to do that anymore. The answers any question are available at the tip of your fingers. So what we should be teaching children is creative thinking skills and how to present their findings, how to communicate what their view of the world is to others and to inspire them and basically to become good leaders.
So SOLE, is a very simply brilliant way of achieving that and a SOLE session starts off with a big question that doesn't have an easy yes or no answer and so that the teacher will typically introduce the question maybe give a little bit of background in less than five minutes and the class then is allowed to range themselves into groups of four or five children, they choose which groups that like to work with and they're given access to an internet connected computer and they go and research this question. They do this collaboratively so that they learn teamwork and allowing each other the Opportunity to work together. Then the last twenty minutes of the session which is usually an hour, the last twenty minutes is where they come back and present their findings to the rest of the group. So It teaches them technological skills that are required and you know to us this might seem like a pretty basic approach but in rural areas where there is no internet access, this is a completely new way of looking at the world and how it started with Sugata Mitra in India is that he put a laptop in a slum environment and just left it there. He didn't give any training, no education whatsoever, many of these kids could barely speak English and he came back three months later and was astounded by how much progress these children have made and he's re-run that experiment in a number of different remote rural areas in India and the results are profound.
So what I like about this thing from an education perspective is in any country in the world education reform is almost impossible. It’s managed by governments and getting governments to change their perspective on education is almost impossible because they're measuring the wrong things, their measuring pass rates. So what I love about SOLE is that it's both transformative and supportive of the existing curriculum, so you can bring it into government run schools without getting the government upset, without getting the principal worried about making a major decision and at the same time it's teaching them skills for the new world that we bring them into. I'm very excited about SOLE and I highly encourage you, you can run SOLE sessions for your kids at home if you want, you can introduce to your school if you google SOLE, their many chapters around the world. Our website sole.org.za has links in the bottom foot that take you to all kinds of SOLE activities around the world and I’m very very excited about this. If you curious about it different ways, if you if your kids are currently in public schools and you want to introduce a new way of supporting the curriculum, I can’t recommend this highly enough and very very excited about.
Michal: That sounds really interesting, asking one big question and then letting people, the students actually figured out that could be could be very powerful. There's one interesting thing you mentioned a while ago, which is related to you know everything is already online, on the internet, Wiki-Pedia and why to even remember some of these facts which I don't disagree with it, it's fact but on the other hand and there are also interesting research done by the [Inaudible 24:31] from the Institutes for the Achievement of Human Potential and they actually found this in nineteen fifty-five maybe you heard about it and they studied kids at first, brain injured kids and then even well kids. What they found out and actually then even master was a way how to increase children's intelligence by actually teaching them that [Inaudible 25:01] facts. Just because they thought or they believe in after thirty years of success with all these kids, they believe that the knowledge of growth set of facts leads to somehow general knowledge that they can test, which leads to high intelligence. Which is also it makes sense, both of these Views actually make sense and I also don't really want to just go through a list of two hundred countries and remember them just because it's super easy to find them on the google. But on the other hand, this this research do you have any thoughts on this?
Michael Haupt: So I'm not aware of the research itself it sounds really interesting and I'm going to go into it when we finish here. But just to come back to this concept of Left and right brain thinking, one of the characteristics of left brain thinking is highly focused and the easiest way of describing this is to use an analogy. If you imagine a good pecking seeds off the ground and it has to differentiate between a seed and a grain of dust or a stern, that's very much a left brain activity. It’s highly focused, they've got to casually analyze and look and see what I'm picking up off the floor here. Where right brain focus is much more on the wider a scope, so if you imagine one of this birdie pick picking up seeds it also has to be aware of a cat walking pass, you might pounce into and eat it for lunch, it also has to keep awareness of the mates that it could mate with, so there's an example of left and right brain activity happening at the same time. Now if you think about our education system they teach as a very much about that focus, we have to go learn very specific things when you finally finish school, when you go off to education you want to focus very much on a specific area of study and specialize in that. Never are we taught to take a much wider view of the world and be curious and open and like the birdies keeping in mind open for the cat that might pounce on it and is keeping an eye open for a mate that it might mate with. We are not taught those skills about just being open to anything and everything you know. So one of the biggest things I think we can teach our children is to, even if they've chosen to go and study a specific area of knowledge and something to that, So for example if your child is older and they are a lawyer, what other skills could they add to their legal abilities that would be number one; that would make them a more interesting person but number two; that would be more useful to the company that they work with. So, for example, could they add marketing to the mix, could they go to learn about what it would take to grow is a legal business.
Now, you speak to an average lawyer today and they have no idea what marketing is all about but I think this is going to be important, even if you specialize in a specific area, add something else to it that's going to make you so much more useful to an organization. It’s only going to avoid yourself being outsourced to artificial intelligence and automation by adding more skills to life.
Michal: [Inaudible 28:29] it actually also happens in the I.T field in computer science, I remember four or five years ago the developers tend to focus on what [Inaudible 28:39] man or front of [Inaudible 28:40] man or design but these days the developers prefer to be just focused developers and sometimes work up front and sometimes they can't and on a similar way happens with data engineers and data analysis, Business intelligence analysis which years ago it used to be very clearly defined, now the data engineers are not doing any analysis. But these days even people I thought [Inaudible 29:08] actually just want to learn how to migrate data, how to analyze them so that they have themselves a full stack of knowledge.
Michael Haupt: And the true stack phrase is becoming a lot more widely used. Now, why can't we have a full stack like?
Michal: What do you mean by full stack life?
Michael Haupt: Well so as you described in the developer, full stack they have a whole lot of different specialties in marketing, you have the same thing, you have a full stack market and you can focus on search engine optimization and google and paper click and website optimization, all those things that you throw into the bucket. Why can’t life be like that? In a holism thinking, Ken Wilburn has written numerous books on the concept of holism .there's no one area of life that is more important than any other, it's all in this package together and we should become experts at all of that. so that's why I'm suggesting a full stack life is when you take into account things that are completely outside your field of expertise so that you become a whole person, so that every approach, every way that you step in the world has a deep grounding in knowledge of a whole lot of other areas. Now our education system does not teach us that process at all so I'm not suggesting this is easy, this is and that's why I'm chosen twenty- thirty as kind of the thing that I'm aiming for; is how do we work towards that process of making holism an essential part of education for our children. The education system is not going to do it so how do we achieve that? I don't know what the answer is yet but that's certainly on a mission to find out.
Michal: It’s actually a very interesting angle on life itself and I can see especially the entrepreneurs, the business people are more vulnerable towards just focusing on one area of their life which is usually the business itself. Maybe the success is easier to measure in these area, like you have this imaginary ladder that you climb comparing to some other areas of life like relationship or parenting or health, it's not as easy or simple and you cannot just post it on Facebook like Oh now I nailed it, now I want to promote it or whatever. You are just a husband or you are a parent. So yeah, maybe what we need is some certification for Parents or something like now I nailed it or now I'm a better parent.
Michael Haupt: Well if you raise an interesting question because the measurement is again very much a left brain activity. We want to compare, we want to you know measure progress, we want to define success. Now if you take more of the right brain characteristics which are things around empathy, we typically use the word soft. These soft skills and you actually can't measure that, how do you measure whether somebody is empathy is increasing and increasing? so I think this concept of measurement itself if we are moving towards more of a right hand dominated world , the concept of measurements and success itself is going to change and again I don't know what the answer is yet but I’m being open to it myself. If we were going down that route of becoming a more empathetic nation and world, what does that mean in terms of no longer measuring or removing what we used to define as success? So I don't know what the answer is on this one but to me, it's an interesting Angle of questioning to take.
Michal: Yeah indeed and it also reminds me about the need for self-improvement and on a similar [inaudible 33:08] you were suggesting some parenting advisory newsletter. I read it on some of you blogs I think, so is this something you can pursue? How do you see this?
Michael Haupt: I haven't kicked it off yet so this is a very new initiative, it will probably be coming towards the middle of this year. At this stage I'm into your interview and having conversations with a number of parents of millennials and millennial themselves, just to understand; what's your view of the world, what are your concerns? I don't want to just put together a newsletter that doesn't mean anything, so I’m in the process of defining that right now. I will more than likely kick off June of this year.it will be driven very much by feedback, so every e-mail that goes out would include: What's your question of the day? What’s the issue of the week for you? Feed that back to me and I will Use that interactive process. And I'm doing it again to stress that not because I think I know anything, it's because I'm learning myself on an incredibly steep learning curve with my daughter. It is totally new to me, so, like you said to me off air, you want to document your learning because there are people that could take Benefit from this and that's how I view the same process from here as well.
Michal: Yeah indeed, that's why I started this small community of parents so that some of my friends and colleagues and some other like-minded entrepreneurial parents can actually get connected and discuss these things, so maybe some point we can you can join forces in educating other parents.
Michael Haupt: I’m very open to that, cool.
Michal: You also mention feedback which is as you described, understood that its feedback to you about the newsletter but what also could be very interesting is actually to give feedback to the parents. Just because I see it on my wife and myself, sometimes you're doing the same mistakes, again and again after reading some of the books you’ll know the theory but then you just need to truly start using new phrases or just talk to kids in a better way. Then I'm thinking how could we give feedback to parents, providing that they actually want [Inaudible 35:36]
Michael Haupt: That’s a great question and maybe just to expand on it a bit more, you’re probably aware that there are all kinds of parenting forums where parents can go and ask questions and then get advice from people. And I can help wondering how accurate it that advice because the person who's giving the advice is giving it from their perspective, which is fine you know there’s value in that. But what happens if there advice doesn’t work or isn't the ultimate for your current situation, so I'm very interested in this concept of open source decision making and there's a platform called [Inaudible 36:10]. I’m in the process of figuring out how can you can convert or add another layer of this parenting forum concept it into a platform where you could go and say hey I've got this particular challenge that I'm working on right now what do you guys think? And then rather than one person giving an opinion, there’s now a discussion and towards the end of it you reach a conclusion saying OK from a global input, from parents all around the world, from this specific issue, this is the ideal outcome that we've come up. I don't know whether it's going to work, I would love a service like that and I suspect other parents might be so again perhaps that's a conversation we can have off-line and see if we can put something like that together.
Michal: Yeah indeed, let's do it. On a similar fashion actually when you described a forum, I was thinking with the new exponential technologies, can we do just better? I'd [Inaudible 37:08] is a technology that was here out of the twenty years ago and maybe now with all these tools that can actually just listen to the voice of parents and then maybe be triggered by some phrases used and then give feedback that would be so much more in line to the [Inaudible 37:29] on the new trends and so much cooler.
Michael Haupt: If we go back to the discussion we had about I.B.M. Watson at the beginning who uploaded millions of case studies of various medical research, why can't we do the same with parenting? It’s commonly said that there's no handbook for parenting but by the time a parent has raised the child to sixteen or eighteen years old they have a humongous amount of knowledge, now why I called all of that knowledge be uploaded into I.B.M Watson and make it available to new parents coming along. So I totally agree with you, this exponential Technology is going to change parenting and we need to be open to how it's going to change. Some of that's going to be quite scary and it's going to take it's completely out of our comfort zone but imagine a parent interacting with a chat bot connected to I.B.M. Watson. So now you no longer turning to another individual with their foibles and limitations and close minded view of the world getting advice from them but you're getting advice from parenting advice driven by artificial intelligence, could that work? I’m Positive.
Michal: Yeah indeed, well if amazon echo and google homework so far they just listen to some phrases and they can respond then, why could they not respond to what we talk to our kids and then actually coming to the I.B.M. Watson technology. Yeah, indeed that's super exciting times.
Michael Haupt: It’s up to people like you and me to go and build that future and this why I’m excited about technology. There's a number of things converging here, there are people who have. Very bright technological background who have children and you've got these massive developments happening very quickly in the technological. So you bring those altogether and we have the potential to completely redefining parenting and education. So this is why I get so excited about it, things look bleak at the moment and one of the decisions I have to make is how am I going to educate my daughter? Perhaps we can go into a discussion about that but rather than looking at existing, having to choose from things that exist today, let's go and create what's going to be available in the future. I think that's a lot much more exciting discussion to have.
Michal: Yeah indeed and you also mention that by the time the kid is eighteen years old the parent has all this knowledge but then I was just thinking about the recently, that now after like three-four years I have some knowledge which I just wish I would have when my first son was born. Just because I would have done so many things differently but then I imagine myself in the next ten years I would have another set of knowledge, which if I would know now. Maybe thanks to some artificial intelligence or some common knowledge it would be just so much so much better, the Outcome if I think about the kids in this way: the Outcome of my parenting.
Michael Haupt: Well you are creating your product, the same as you bring the product in your entrepreneurial world you're creating a product and that's a huge responsibility which you know certainly the average parents are spoken to don't quite, I don’t think fully accept that responsibility maybe I'm being a little harsh there.
Michal: I too have a product roadmap for myself. I was also in the role of product [inaudible 40:53] the quickly responsible for the product development. so and then I created product roadmap my for me personally and I didn't go as far as creating it for my kids yet just because I know my wife is a little reserve here. But as soon as she becomes more open minded and I think I will do something proper here.
Michael Haupt: And we can use the concept of the product roadmap to your kids so that they become the architect of that. It’s such a different way of looking at life and I love it, if you're OK with it I'm going to steal that idea for my daughter.
Michal: What I actually done in Louisiana as I was mentioning recently when I interview him he was saying that he also sets weekly goals with his two kids, which is which is really cool and again it reminds me how many things you can apply from the business world to just parenting or home schooling or educating our kids and all these things that are natural in the business world we can just copy paste and to do it with our kids.
Michael Haupt: Yes I love the idea and the thing that I was a little cautious about is, I have an issue with setting goals and the reason for that is because we often said goals that are too small. so if we take the concept of goal setting and add Peter [Inaudible 42:11] concept of moon shot, it's also a google concept; where you take an absolutely audacious, a ridiculously sounding goal and set goals of that level rather, because the problem with setting a small goal is that; that's all you aim for, you don't aim for anything bigger than that. So when talking about goal setting with kids this is part of how we can educate them. Don't think about the small goal that you setting for next week, set a seemingly impossible goal because even though you might miss the seemingly impossible goal, the progress that you make is way bigger than if you were to set a small but achievable goal.
Smart people talk about smart goals and the A stands for achievable and I don't like that approach that all but that's personal.
Michal: Yeah, yeah [Inaudible 42:57] introduced OK [Inaudible 42:58] just recently. So it actually pushes everyone to think bigger and try not actually to achieve hundred percent but only sixty- seventy percent but it’s still not that kind of moon shots as in google. So, how do you actually want to educate your daughter? Now she's only three years old but I guess she will start soon, so will you do it?
Michael Haupt: I was hoping that you wouldn't ask that question because it's a question that scares me, I honestly right now don't know what the answer is. I can tell you that while I was traveling in Thailand, sitting on a beach this was in [Inaudible 43:42] I saw an inspiring activity happening and that has, I Suspect that this is how the educational of my daughter is going to be unfolded. And it was a family of, I think there were four children, they would sit under a palm tree every morning for three to four hour, not playing like everybody else plays but they were involved in what seemed to be educational activities. So I met the parents and had a conversation with them and it turns out that they are traveling, I can’t remember whether it was eight or ten years but they said to goal to travel consistently while homeschooling their children. So the kids were getting an international exposure while getting this very close attention from their parents, they didn't even have a tutor. And the learning only happens with three or four hours a day and the rest of the time they were free to go and creatively play. Now one of the things about homeschooling that people always raise this question of, “well. How are they going to be socially adaptable and so on?” These kids had that process cracks because they would be doing that; learning in the morning and then doing the afternoon they’re socializing with other people playing on the beach. So I suspect there's going to be some kind of hybrid solution that I will be implementing, travel is very much going to form part of her education from a very young age. But in terms of specific answers, to be honest, I look at the available options right now and all of them have limitations. so whatever the answer is going to be, it'll be a hybrid of a number of different approaches and to me this is a journey and I love what you're doing with your community, I think we should all be going on this journey together and learning from each other to see what the ultimate, what the most efficient outcome process would be.
Michal: Well connection with the travel is really inspiring. I have so many destinations in our two visit list with the family but now we are Based here in Bangkok where we have a headquarter [Inaudible 45:42], so it's quite difficult just to travel somewhere but yeah I can imagine If you were down road that we'll be travelling and spending years with the family in different locations, that sounds very tempting.
Michael Haupt: I can honestly say that educate, I beg your pardon, travel has been my best education. I've lived in sixteen cities on six continents as a local rather than as a tourist because you can travel as a tourist and you're basically going to be in hotels that look identical around the world. But the exposure to different cultures the, I mean you know this living in Bangkok for four and a half years; it’s just, you cannot replicate that education in any lecture hall or school. The hands on education that you get from travel is just Phenomenal.
Michal: And even the exposure to different languages. Like I'm from Slovakia, so if we would stay in Slovakia then my kids would only speak Slovak most likely. But now as we live in in Thailand, they actually had to learn; In Marcos case four different languages: so it's Slovak actually English, French and Thai Just because the environment forces them, which is really cool. Then I can imagine that maybe you spend a year in China then this would be very beneficial for their feature.
Michael Haupt: Yeah, what a privilege
Michal: Yeah, but the environment in China maybe is not as good as in Slovakia, I mean the smoke and you don't really want to breathe it.
Michael Haupt: But to me, that's a good thing because seeing what is happening in the rest of the world the good and the bad is incredibly Motivational at a formative stage of the child’s life. You’re not bringing them up in this bubble. This concept of countries and border all of that is very much left brain thinking. We’re a citizen of the planet and it's not about what happens in Slovakia or South Africa or Thailand, it's what happens to the planet and the best way of teaching a child that, is taking into China and showing them the smog and getting them to live in it. I’m sure it’s not good for the health but isn't part of the learning process of developing the product. There are two ways of looking at it but [Inaudible 48:00 – 01] I'm thinking it's a different environment.
Michal: Yeah With some mask I can totally mention it.
Michael Haupt: And they do that in Bangkok anyway, so you're probably doing it right now.
Michal: Well not right now but yeah, when I’m sick
Michael Haupt: No, when we're out on the street, yeah.
Michal: Sure, speaking of traveling, have you plan a visit to Bangkok?
Michael Haupt: Definitely. What I've decided though for the next few years is just to get so up and running in South Africa and they are a number of parallel initiative that we doing at the same time. So this is going to be a focus for, I would guess another two years at least and also to consider the age of my daughter I don't want to do too much trouble with her before she's six years old. So it's probably two to three is before I do another round the world trip, so it’s happening but not in the near future. And I love Thailand and I think I said to you off-air that Thailand has changed my life on two occasions. It’s an incredible country, the Thai people are some of the most beautiful I met, just from a beautiful heart and soul perspective. Man, it’s just literally Thailand has changed my life on two occasions so I'll definitely be back.
Michal: That sounds wonderful I guess you should come sooner so they can go grab some coffee or lunch.
Michael Haupt: There we go.
Michal: I want to be mindful of your time, so maybe you can wrap it up now and possibly have some discussion later.
Michael Haupt: Cool. Well, I really appreciate the opportunity, Michael, I love what you're doing and I have a few confident that we're going to do something together in the future I look forward to that.
Michal: Thanks a lot, it was really wonderful talking to you have a wonderful day.
Michael Haupt: You Too !
I connected with Daniel Louzonis in January 2017. He's one of the most ambitious parents I know, so I couldn't wait to ask him a few questions about his experience with homeschooling and (hyper)acceleration.
His profile on Parents.Community: @Daniel
You can listen to the podcast below, or read the full transcript.
First, a no-TV-screen policy is a must. Kids start reading books as a result. Listen to learn what Daniel thinks about:
Kindergarten & Daycare
Teaching kids to read at a young age
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Michal: Alright. Hi there, I know that you are a very ambitious parent of two kids, you even write articles online and you even have the coaching for the ambitious parents especially focus on homeschooling. The articles you actually wrote were very inspiring for me, when I read it then, I immediately felt like this is something I want to try with my own kids. And eventually, I even started blogging about my own experience and then somehow we got connected recently. So I would like to get some of your knowledge and best practices to share with the community of other the ambitious parents that I'm connected to. So thanks a lot for having this call, I'm really excited about it.
Daniel: Sure! Anytime, I love talking about this stuff, I could talk about it all day long.
Michal: So it's 11:00 AM your time, so we have about 10 more hours.
Daniel: We'll see how much memory you have on Dropbox.
Michal: Maybe not that much. So I know that you do a lot of homeschooling with your two kids and you even share a lot of highlights online, but some of the people I'm connected to are actually not doing homeschooling. So I would be especially curious what the people who are not homeschooling yet, but still are very ambitious and want to do some cool fancy stuff with their kids at home, maybe in the morning, maybe in the afternoon, maybe in the evening. So what the parents could do, what would you say would be the first thing to actually do with 1 or 2 kids?
Daniel: Well the first thing is to do is never let them near a screen, never put them in front of a movie, never put them on YouTube to watch cat videos, and definitely never put them in front of a television. And this is multimillion dollar advice right here that less than 1 % of people will ever implement. And the thing is it's an easy button, there is an easy button for education and it's the off button on a device, and there's a lot of resistance to doing it and I can speak at length about the resistance. But let me just talk about why you want to do it and what will happen when you unplug your kids.
But, first of all, their brains will take off, they will get deeply involved in hobbies, they will get outside, they will move, they will make pretend play, and at some point they will be drawn like moss to a flame towards books, and books are really the basic unit of education, very few people... if you Google famous people who don't read, not many famous people come up, and if you listen to Silicon Valley, entrepreneurs, venture capitalist, if you start digging into US presidents and the most famous people that have ever walked this earth, they were all prolific readers. So the reason, its two fold reasons, actually, it's a many fold reason, but when you remove screens from children they will move towards book naturally. Because their minds crave an outlet for... they love stories and the drama of stories and of information will rapture them, so you cut the cord and they'll be drawn towards books, and if you don't cut the cord they will never read.
The people who design these screens they know how to create addictive content, they know how to push the right buttons, they know how to use sensationalism, they know how to do more than you can fight off. So the number one thing to do...and we can go deeper into this if you want on any particular point...number one thing to do is to do what less than 1 % of people do and just do it a zero passive video content approach, it's incredibly important for young children. Just getting back to the reading thing for a second. Books are naturally addictive and naturally... yeah they're naturally addictive, my daughter has read, and it's May second, she's read 70 books already this year.
Daniel: So through 4 months of the year it would projects to 200 books a year and she's 10 years old, and she's addicted to books. When I punish her I actually have to take away books and banned her from reading, confiscate night-lights in her room, and this is because I set in her the reading habit, and the main way I set that reading habit in her was by depriving her of television, she's never watched television just about her entire life. So the biggest thing that you can do, and again it's an easy button, anybody can do it, very, very few people actually do it. This goes towards phones and educational apps, all this stuff sucks kids into the screens and it pushes them away from books. And I like to tell people that, between their kids and their kids full potential is a mountain books, a mountain of reading material.
They're going to have to learn how to read music, read instructions, and board games, they're going to have to read their whole life, and if they don't have an extreme confident with reading they will only tap a fraction at best of their potential. So it's really the core understanding, and I didn't have this knowledge when I started out, when I had young kids it wasn't like I could have told you what I just told you, I had no idea and I didn't grow up a reader myself. So I discovered this through experimentation with my own children through screen deprivation, through experimenting with my students, my clients and getting them to implement deprivation and they tell me within two weeks, their kids are reading books, they're playing chest at 6 am and doing all sorts amazing things. The parents come to believe that I'm Zeus or some Greek God when they see the metamorphosis, the transformation in their kids all from unplugging. And again I can talk at length about this, I'll let you tell me where you want me to stare [06:20] direction.
Michal: That's super-inspiring. I imagined the stack of 70 books that your daughter read by May 2, it's super inspiring really. Imagine, actually, if you would know this a few years ago, but imagined you would know this 30/40 years ago and you would be actually the one who read the 70 books within 4/5 months, that would be super-cool, right. Now I have a personal target to read one book per week, but it's just nothing comparing to what kids can actually do within a year especially if they start...
Daniel: They don't have to work so they do have more time.
Michal: They can read a thousand book within a few years, that's just crazy.
Daniel: I will point out that, my son he reads lighting fast, we'll give him a book and say "You got to read this book on Marco Polo," and he's done it in a second. When he really was young we did not believe that he was reading. You have to understand and appreciate our disbelief, we are right next to him, we're watching him and he's going through it a hundred miles an hour and we're not even believing that he is reading. And so this one particular book, it was an 110 pages, it was on Marco Polo, we were taking the train home from Manhattan, we were at some educational event and I said read this book, we have always assign books and they also have pleasure books, but this one was assign and often times they just want to just blast through the books we assign them and get to the more kid friendly, the self-chosen books of their liking. And so he blasted through this Marco Polo book and I just didn't believe that he read it, again because it was a book that I assign to him. He was probably 8 years old, and I grabbed the book and I started quizzing him on the book, I open the book to middle of wherever and ask him about, I don't know, [08:18] whoever was in there in that book and he gave me a verbatim answer, in other words, not only did he read the book so fast that we couldn't believe he read it, that he had what we were understanding was a semi-photographic memory, so he could read fast and retain it. I use to when he was young, I would sit next to him on the couch and he'd read, he'd turn the page and I would start reading next to him or over his shoulder and I would get to the bottom of the first page and he would be flipping. So he would read two pages to my one. I think now it's even much beyond that. I watch him read a book he was reading less than 20 seconds per page, it wasn't a super heavy text heavy book, he's even faster now at 12 years old.
Again I didn't understand all this stuff about reading and I've done research subsequent to me being a young parent with young children, and I found Glenn Doman, I believe in his literature, his research, he asserts that children who read at a very young age can become lighting fast readers. Now as soon as he said that, I said, Ah ha, my kids they're been reading from a young age, not at 2 or 3 years old like some of these prodigy kids that you see maybe on YouTube or on infomercials, they were not in that category at all. But by 4 and 5 years old they were reading and the read tons and tons and tons, and like anything else the more you do it, I don't care whether it's juggling or putting a golf ball, the more you do it the better and faster you get at it and that's another reason why if you're a parent of young children you should get on this reading thing, one of the biggest mistakes you can make is say "Oh they'll read when they go to school, they can read once in a while," no I want them reading for hours a day and when they're really young, I want parents reading to them for hours a day, I want, books, books, books, books, that investment there in the children, in their long-term development, in their mind, in their bibliophilia is going to have unbelievable returns.
Now just think, Warren Buffet said, Warren Buffett is well-known that he reads about 500 pages a day, or for 8 hours a day, he just sits and reads and reads and reads. Now he's the richest man in the world and he reads more than anybody else. He values reading and what it's done for him in his life. He's also actually said and Bill Gates has said the same thing, they ask them if they could have one super power, they both said they wish they could be speed readers. I think Warren Buffet also has another quote elaborating on it ,and he basically says that he thinks he's wasted four years of his life or even longer, I can't remember what the exact number is you can certainly Google this, he's wasted years of his life because he reads slow or slowly [11:03] use correct adverb there. Speed reading is huge, so many good things happen when you start early and it doesn't matter whether you're playing golf, or anything else and reading, if reading is the most important intellectual skill, if it's in fact, cardio for the brain which is what I believe it is, it's not strength training, it's not flexibility, strength training would be probably hard math and hard chest, flexibility the yoga for the brain would be art and music, but reading is cardio, in other words, if you're going to play football or basketball, or any sport you need a baseline of cardio aptitude, you need to be able to run and that's what books do for young children, they give them that cardio that marathon, even really that ultra-marathon I would say level of training. And I've even gotten into attention span and these other things, but it's almost all talk about is, how to get kids to read, and how to remove everything that prevents them from reading.
Michal: I'm a big fan of reading myself; it's really great to see even little kids reading. I started as a Glenn Doman's program about how to teach kids to read and it's very interesting one. So we also printed out a lot of flash cards and we're going through it these days.
Daniel: The flash cards, let me jump in here, the flash cards I didn't know about that. Like I said I learn about all these things after the fact, and now I'm happy that I can point younger parent and parents of young children to these resources and if I had another kid, I would certainly have those flash cards and I would be holding them above the crib and I would be even...there's a lot of things I would do differently, people think that I can't improve upon what I did, I can guarantee that what I teach people and what I actually implemented, I only implemented a fraction of what I know today because I didn't know it back then.
And unfortunately my wife she can't have another child, she lost her uterus with my daughter, but if I had another child I would love to test out all these new things and I would do it differently for sure. I would still keep the core components of reading and math and workbooks at a very young age, and I would definitely have them screen deprived, I might even screen deprived them more than I did, let me just change the subject a little bit here because my kids, they're on the computer all day long, but they're on a desktop that's right next to my desktops, and they're doing math, my daughter was doing math today, my son be playing chess game he's preparing for a big chest tournament. My daughter is...and you can go if you're interested in this, you can go look online she has her own website, it's called homeschoolglobe.com, she has her own newsletter. So she's been learning Adobe and design which is very complicated, and so when she's on a computer she's learning Adobe and design, my son is doing is podcast, we're doing chest, we're doing math and these are all wonderful, wonderful things, but even now I wonder about whether it's too much screen stimulation. So again if I had a do-over, I would probably, probably, I would definitely do a lot of things differently, but I would leave the core things that I learn, I wouldn't mess with them at all.
Michal: It's actually funny as you said, because even with my wife we were joking that now we are learning these things about better parenting on the go, and at some point I think we already missed some of these ideal moments, for example, Glenn Doman recommends to start teaching kids at the age of 6 months old, which is totally crazy but with my [14:47] I missed it. So we were just joking recently that we need a third kid to actually do it all properly after we learn it on this these two kids.
Daniel: I read Glenn Doman and he can be scary if you read what he says to do. And I don't think you have to do it all, I think the idea that he teaches, that children's brains are growing exponentially and at the age of 0 to 6, because at 6 years old the brain starts to shrink, that these are neglected years and this is where all the opportunity for acceleration lays. Because even if I look back at my child, or both my kids, I don't know what was most important, what was least important, I don't know for a fact these things unprovable, they're inherently unprovable. But, I could probably die and when they're 6 years old and they would probably already have a massively steep trajectory in life or whatever because of that foundation.
So the idea that Glen imputes in his book is what's powerful, and I don't think you have to implement the whole thing by any stretch, so don't feel too bad about that, and there's things that he missed too nobody has it all. Are you reading about Bill Gates or Jet [Basso] and saying that they were Glenn Doman babies. And I've seen this in some of my circle where kids take a steep trajectory, but look if you play what we call soccer, but if you play football, they're kids who are really good through, age 11, and they pique and that's it. So you can pique out and other's can catch up, that's' the good things about life, a fast start goes a long way. The Little Engine that Could, the Tortoise and the hare, the plotter can catch up, it's just tougher, and I think life is hard enough as it is and if you're a parent of young children, you probably see this with your nieces and nephews, you might see how over schedule their lives are, you might see how unhappy some of their older kids can be and how difficult things can get. If you know you're going to walk a bumpy path, you want to take precautions and you want to give yourself a margin for error, you don't want to start late, you don't want to be out of shape when you have to go on that bumpy path.
So acceleration to me gives a parent a huge margin for error that is very much needed in life. I do not worry about my kids at all, my son is 12 years old, our friends are all worried about college which can cost upwards of $300,000 for a four-year degree now, and our friend with their multiple kids, they're all going to be on the hook for hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions of dollars for college and I don't even have to worry about that. And this is just number 622 things that I don't have to worry about because I invested in my kids early. When is the best time to plant a tree? Is 10 years ago.
Michal: So how do you [18:01] see this college education considering the new technologies new trends, do you even think that the colleges as we know them today have even some bright future or no they don't? How do you see this?
Daniel: No! They are a relic of the past, you'll go there and learn business from people who aren't in business, you will learn obedience which is not rewarded in life no less than the economy, you will learn conformity, same thing, conformity is an incredibly bad impulse, it's a very bad habit, college is antiquated and they can try to tweak it with technology and it's doom to fail. Learning is an individual endeavor; I think Isaac Asimov said "All education is self-education ultimately." He didn't say ultimately but I'll throw that adverb in there, all education is self-education and anybody can learn more from Googling and reading blogs than they can learn at Harvard for crying out loud. There is no reason whatsoever to send the kids to college. But when I speak to parents of young children I don't like to get into college conversation because it's a very, very sensitive area, in fact, everything that I talk about is very delicate, very fragile, very politically incorrect, and if we transition, say, away from screens and reading we can go into Daycare and preschool, that is a very politically incorrect thing to talk about.
The major publications, the TV shows, the radios, they'll never let somebody like me go on and talk the reality, the facts about preschool and day-caring, how bad that is, how it retards the development of children. So all this stuff it's all a long conversation, and we can speak again for hours on just, how to get a struggling reader to keep at it, or how to unplug, or why to do this or that, so these are all very, very big subjects and they're all important. And that's why it's critical a parent does research, that they think for themselves, that they are critical about their own, I would say, life. In other words they look at themselves and say "You know what, yeah maybe I have this job and this much money, maybe I've got this degree, maybe I've got this lifestyle, but I want my kids to have 10 X of that, I want my kids to have so much more." And that's a starting point, if the parents want more for their child, then they will dig deep and do research and they will experiment, and they will read Glenn Doman who's crazy, and they'll be able to do it with an open mind and without getting offended and they won't get offended when they hear somebody like me, pretty much a witness test.
If I offend you, if I offend somebody it's unfortunate, it really upsets me, but that's a limiting belief for that parent, that parent...I think it was Tim Ferriss who said that "Your success in life is proportional, directly proportional to how many difficult conversations you want to have," and so this is what parenting is, it's an active endeavor, and doesn't matter whether you're building a business, or trying to win a sports championship, you're going to have to suffer through some pain and you're going to have to push yourself. And that's what I did with my kids and that's what I advocate for everybody because what do they do, we're talking here about what parents can do with their young kids [21:31] acceleration. Less than 3 % of parent actually do it, they all invest in their kids at the end, and this I actually gave a speech on this yesterday about why parents should invest in their kids early, it seems like captain obvious saying this "Yeah invest early, buy Microsoft in 1988, don't buy it in 2017." We can see that in hindsight, but parents aren't actually investing in their kids, and the ones who think they need to invest in kids they're buying organic food and they think that if they put a mobile in their kids crib that that's going to make their kids smart, or they might play classical music once in a while.
That's kind of like putting one green bean or one vegetable on your plate meanwhile you're eating a mountain of French fries and chasing it down with a coke. It's just not enough, it's the right idea, but it's not enough, when I was a young parent I had no idea what to do, so I get it, we only come into this world with our based knowledge and our school experience and quite frankly an unenlightened understanding of education. So one of the best things parents can do especially in your circle if these parents have their own businesses or if they're entrepreneurial, if they've traveled a lot that's another good sign, a sign of an ambitious parent, a parent who moves, you think about it, these parents who've never moved anywhere outside their hometown, they're not interested in new things and that's a limiting belief that their children will inherit from them right away. We all talk about what we inherit parent when they die, they're inheriting everything from you from day one. My parents never travel; they weren't entrepreneurial when I entered the real world I had to learn all of that stuff from scratch. There's no reason why somebody has to wait till they're 35 years old to find Tim Ferriss, 40 years old and finding Tony Robins. So one of the things that I do and I have many [framework] through which I try to inspire parents to take action, I say "Hey look, everything that Tony Robins and Tim Ferriss teach you can teach the young children."
My kids get up and they write their goals down, and they have check list and they're self-directed. All these things are available to kids at a young age, there's no reason to wait until you're 35 and get burnt out from the corporate environment before you have to find yourself and really start your own path in life. There's so much wrapped up in education and parenting and the baggage we bring, the ignorance we bring, we don't know what to do and I think that one of the best things that you can do is study successful people. This is what I do with my own brand Einstein Blueprint, is I try to take what Jeff [Basso] says, what Steve Jobs says, what Abraham Lincoln says, what Nelson Mandela says, and Helen Keller and kind of crystallized that into a blueprint and say "Look! You should be raising your kids based on the wisdom, the collective wisdom of the most successful people on earth, you should not be raising the kids based on how you were raised, you should not be raising your kids based on what institutions and schools say you should do, or a TV commercial say you should do. You should just go straight to the most successful people, think of it as like an apprenticeship right, you're in a mastermind with Bill Gates and with Isaac Newton, and all that's going to inform how you parent.
Michal: These are very inspiring, actually, you mentioned so many really great topics starting with Universities, Daycare, I have two little kids now in pre-school and this is also a topic that I would be really interested in. You were talking about parents who should do their own research, and also some of these blueprint business kind of best practices that they can again just connect to from the business environment. And there're so many golden nuggets today cannot even keep up with the notes.
Daniel: Let's go into the Daycare for a second and Preschools. When you're trying to, say you have a business, and you're trying to level up your personal productivity or you trying to market more aggressively and differently, and you're trying to level up your business game, what do you do? You join a coaching circle, you join a mastermind. That's what you do as an adult and you try to get in one with what? Not people who are beginners, you want people who are more successful than you right.
A school is not a mastermind, adults have masterminds, ambitious adults have masterminds for themselves, but school and even going preschools is not a mastermind for young children. 3-year-olds cannot learn anything from other 3 year olds, however, they can learn from 5 years old, they can learn from 7 years old, they can learn from teenagers, and they can certainly learn from adults. But when you take a bunch of 3 year old and you lock them in a room, it has the opposite of a mastermind effect, instead of leveling each other up they kind of push each other down. One of the authors online said that kids in preschool and daycare they pool their ignorance, they make a mix of medley of the dumbest things. Think about it, in school they charismatic kid, the joker, they had a lot of influence, but if you change the environment, if you go into a more mature environment that person will get flick away, they will be marginalized, but not in the school. So when you take your kid...I'm just speaking broadly here I'm going to get more specific in a second. When you speak broadly about 10, 3-year-olds is there anything educational being about 3-year-olds? Every parent says to me, it's good for my kids to get out of the house for social reasons, kids needs to go to preschool because they don't want their kids to play by themselves.
Now, go out through history, I challenge you to go out through history and find adults who will not socialize because they didn't go to preschool or they didn't go to daycare, you just can't find them, that is just created out of [27:51]. Parents send their kids to preschool for a variety of reasons, some of which can be non-negotiable, but then they justify it afterwards and they well it's good for them, well it's actually not. There's this study about... well they have counted the vocabularies of 6-year-olds, and in 1950 in America, the average 6-year-old had a 4000-word active working vocabulary. So 4000 words at 6 years old in 1950, today it's down to 1000 words, why is that? This is when people they started getting confrontation, what's that study let me see it. Look, I can't verify this study, somebody did it and maybe it's half has many words, I don't know, and you have to look at this study or even listen to what I'm telling you now with your own open mind, because you can't let someone else do your thinking for you. So why would vocabulary of 6 year old in only about 50 60 years, why would it drop so drastically 50 %, in this case 75 %, why? There're only two different things, one is television, and two daycare and preschool, and those are the two things that are retarding language acquisition in reducing vocabulary acquisition.
Because when a child was nipping at the heels of mom in the kitchen, mom is speaking to that 3-year-old, she's not saying "Goo goo, gah gah," she's using big person words at a minimum, and she may be wheel articulate complete sentences, and that's how kids were raised since the beginning of time, they weren't shipped out when they were 3 years old in this time frame which we've already talked about. When their brain are growing exponentially, when they could actually be learning monsters, we're not taking them and putting them in a dissimulated environment, but that’s what pre-school and daycare are. There's not enough personalized communication, so when the teacher in a daycare says everybody clean up, that's not the same as when mommy says "Jimmy you need to clean up you made a mess." It's not the same and they're getting deluded communication as well in a preschool or daycare. Kids who go to preschool and daycare, their vocabulary acquisition is much lower, now I'm talking about in generality if they're in preschool if they are in preschool and daycare all day. My son went to preschool I think 2 and a half hours, maybe 2 days a week for a couple months, and you can see that it didn't do him in. But there are people who put their kids in daycare at 6 weeks old, and they're in daycare full-time care until they go to Full-time School.
And these kids they have retarded diminished vocabularies, and they also have much worst levels of maturity. Their potty training is later; their ability to control their emotions, and control their behavior is far lower than kids who are not daycared and not preschool. So, again this is a very, very, very sensitive subject and I know a lot of people send their kids to school, preschool and they get offended at what I say. But look, going back to what Tim Ferriss said, these are facts I have no vested interest in stating this, I am just reporting what I see on an everyday basis. I have students, I've worked with over a thousand students over the years and I'll tell you, if these kids were daycared full-time, their maturity level is much, much lower. And I have a great study on it that I can...the master study on the development of kids who preschool and daycare, and the results say that daycare and preschool are really, really bad for children. And it makes tons of sense, children at 3 and 4 years old, and 2 years old and 1 year old, they need their parents, this is an unnatural detachment from their parents and anytime you fight nature you're going to have consequences.
There's even another study that I want to throw out there, In England, in London, they tested two different groups, they look at the children of ultra-wealthy people who were nannied, and they compared them with the children of women who were mentally retarded and convicted felons in prisons. What they did was they let these women who were in prison spend daily times with their babies and they compared the, let's say the intellectual and development progress of these children of mentally retarded felons with the development of these nannied children of the ultra-wealthy, and the children of the retarded felonious parents, they were light years ahead of them, this is what attachment does for development of a child and this is what you are giving up when you put your child in full-time daycare. It doesn't matter what that daycare is, it's not the same as the natural bond of a parent.
Michal: That's very, very interesting; I guess we need to discuss this with my wife then.
Daniel: Well you don't need to stop it; you just need to be aware. You need to be aware you need to do as little as possible. So say somebody says "Yeah you know I hate daycare, my kids in it, I was thinking about cutting them back, I'm definitely going to cut them back now." Whatever it is it's incremental progress, these things aren't life or death, but you also have to understand why. If you start Googling truth about daycare, you will find so much propaganda saying that children who go to daycare are healthier and smarter and I can tell you its complete bunk, this is outright propaganda.
And in America you're considered to be anti-woman if you say anything negative about daycare or preschool. Some woman I just read online submits an article on daycare to Parent Magazine which is the biggest Parent Magazine in America, and they said that "We can't run that, parents have enough guilt about daycare already." You can find it if you look online, if you Google the drawbacks of daycare and preschool and all this stuff, you will find what I'm saying, but you're also going to find ten times as much outright lying propaganda saying how it's good for kids, it's absolutely is not. So this is what we're up against and it makes intuitive sense, get the kids out of the house, what could be wrong, they come back with a little bit of art work, they're around other kids their age it seems innocuous.
But all these things seem innocuous, smoking seemed innocuous to people 80/90 years ago as well. But there was a ruminant, there was a select few, they were selected people who say "You know what, this stuff is toxic, this is not good." That's who's interested, that's who's interested ambitious parents, the 3 % of people who get it and who aren't going to get sucked in all the propaganda and who are willing to look at things critically. A lot of people have sent their kids to daycare and they don't want to hear it, so they don't close their minds to everything that I say if their hear me mention how daycare is not good for kids developmentally. I can't help them and I feel bad, again this is not an ego thing, there's no money at stake here, my kids are already launch into the stratosphere and I'm trying to get as many other kids to come with me because it's not the kids fault. There's a lot of negative inertia out there and there's a lot of people doing the wrong things just because that's the way things has always been done. If we went back to screens, one of my big things with the screens is that people who watch TV don't think, and once an individual stops thinking, once a nation or a society or a generation stop's thinking, they become close minded and it sets off this vicious cycle of non thinking and stupidity. And that's kind of what we see now in pretty much in any direction you look anywhere out there and it's a shame. I will offer one book recommendation, I don't know if I have given you this one "Amusing Ourselves to Death, by Neil Postman." And that is a book definitely worth reading and it looks at the damage that screens or that television brought on thinking.
Michal: I have not read this one yet.
Daniel: You can even find it online for free if you Google Amusing Ourselves to Death PDF, people put it up online for free. But it is an unbelievable book, unbelievable [prescient] book because the guy thought in 1983 now that they were 32 cable channels, he thought that was it 1983 intellectual dialogue, was completely dead in America 1983 because of cable TV. And he didn't live to see thousands of channels and devices in the pocket of 7-year-olds, but he thought it was dead back then, and I challenge anyone to read his arguments.
Michal: He would get crazy now I guess. It is actually so true, when I interview people [37:17] quickly and I ask them what do they do in their free time, they say usually like, hey I'm watching some movies or TV or whatever, then I don't even hire them because as you say these people are not really used to learn, or read books or do some things that actually progress in their lives.
Daniel: Ask them what they're reading, ask them what new thing they're working on, you're going to thin the heard real fast. It's how young ladies who are looking for boyfriends or husbands, I say you better find a guy who reads because if it's a guy who doesn't read he's not going to grow.
Michal: It's true; sometimes I even ask a question from the other angle just because you know, what is the last book you read? It's easy to fake or you can just say, okay I read a book but you may have read it 3 months ago. So I actually ask it from different angles, I usually ask, what was the last movie you watched, and then people say "Oh my God, I'm not watching movies," then it's a good sign, or if they say like "Oh the last movie I watched yesterday and then the before," so that's usually a red flag.
Daniel: And tomorrow I’m going to watch…
Daniel: I don't even know what movies are out, because...
Michal: Me neither, and actually, we also cut the TV cord half year ago and it was really, really great thing that we did, because our kids now focus on books, as you say, pretty much that was an act of 2/ 3/ 4 days, after the initial screaming, they somehow survived it and after 2/3 days we were reading books together. And now actually funny part just because they also go to the kindergarten, sometimes they're kids who ask them about this Frozen or whatever movies are out there for kids. Now, actually, my kids don't know this, so even when other kids are singing this soundtrack, then my kids actually don't usually know what it is about. So it's a little bit awkward when we visit some birthday parties for kids, these things are u actually quite difficult to explain, so it's a little bit awkward.
Daniel: No, awkward is good and weird is good, Steve Jobs was pretty weird, Bill Gates was pretty weird. When I first started down the road with accelerating my kids my wife said, I don't want them to be too weird, too different, she said too different. This was probably 9 years ago that she said this; I still tease her about this because now we want our kids to be as different as possible.
Michal: So when was actually the tipping point for you to start home schooling?
Daniel: Well there was no point, there was a realization. My son was, after 18 months, after a year and a half because I went back and looked at the calendar he was 5 and 1 eight years old and it was a January, and he was 9 months away from kindergarten and we finished 6th-grade math’s so he was starting algebra. So he's nine months away from kindergarten and he's starting algebra and I could see that there was no way he was going to go to school. And so if you accelerate your kids to the max, they will not fit in any school, I don't care if it's the best school in Manhattan and I have students who go to this supposed best school and what they expect of those kids is maybe 10 % of what those kids are actually capable of. So if you do hyper-accelerate your kids, there's no school that will be appropriate for them just to give you an example, so the kindergarten my son would have started in 9 months after he started algebra, they said their goal for the end of the year was that children know how to hold a book, not write a book, not read a book, but hold a book, that was their goal.
Michal: Hold the book. Wow!
Daniel: To hold a book. So yeah it would just be a waste of time. So, a lot of people they get scared of the idea of accelerating their kids and there's even a lot of people that say, "Don't teach your kid to read," and I've heard this dozens of times "because they'll be bored in kindergarten." Now can you imagine, don't teach your kids to read because they'll be bored. That will be like my grandmother, that was like my grandmother who use to go to the casinos and she was telling me how she almost hit a jackpot, but it's a good thing she didn't hit it because just think of all the taxes she would have to pay. I mean this is a math thing, you're only paying a fraction of it in taxes, yeah I'll pay a fraction of $200,000 in taxes. I like the taxes analogy and I tell people that when you accelerate your kids, it's like having to pay a lot of taxes. I work for a guy when I use to trade stock options and he said he couldn't stand people who complain about taxes, not the actually tax rate, but he say's "I want to pay as much tax as I can every year in the sense that I want to earn money. And so it's the same thing, if you want to hyper-accelerate your kid, and when you're at that birthday party and they don't know what movie the kids are talking about that's good, that's what you want, you don't want them to be stuck in that thing, those are not your people and trust me.
A lot of people said to me "I don't want my kids to be different, if I home school them they won't be any greater in the community." I can tell you right now that my kids are like Rock Stars celebrities in their local community because they're different from everybody else, they're into books, my son can solve 20 different [42:54] cubes and they play chess and they're happy and they play instruments and the other kids love them. So just because you're different doesn't mean you're going to be left out, yeah they're some people who won't want to be around you if you are different if you make them feel inadequate, but that can happen anyway and those are people you don't want to be around. Being different should be everyone's goal, it seems crazy but I think...even when my wife was talking about the fear of her kids being different, I think deeply embedded in her brain is the school mindset which we all had, you can't go to school like we all did for 12 years through high school and then 4 years at college without knowing that the kid who is different was pick on, the kid who was different was left out, and we didn't go to school with Bill Gates and we say "Ahh man we wish we were like him." We just know that being unaccepted in a peer group in school can be difficult. But school is not life, in the real world if adults don't want to be around each other then they just aren't around each other, bullies and conformities those are not facets of the real world but they are the defining facets or characteristics of group education.
To get back to your original question, I knew at that point that my kid was never going go in school, and so when I'm at a 100 % or at a 120 % my wife maybe still at 30 %. There's always a process, there's never an Ah Ah moment when you're talking about with young children. There are kids who go to school who get pulled out of school and they can have probably more discrete or distinct Ah Ah moments here, my kid got bullied or the teacher did this or whatever and we've had it, we're pulling our kids out. But for me it was more of a process and I think even with the people who pull their kids out midstream there was always stuff building up to it.
Sometimes it takes years, I've had people watched me for 4 years and then pull their kids out of school. And others who were probably already there and they meet me and BOOM, they jump all in, they read all my stuff, they pull their kids out without even blinking an eye. So it's different for everybody, homeschooling is I see it as an acceleration to the max, I see it as a way to hyper-accelerate kids, but not everybody sees it that way, some people see it as a way to make sure that their family can travel, some people do it because they want their kids imbued with their own religious morals and that's really only 40 % by the way, it's not a 100 % or 90 % it's 40 %. Some people pull their kids out because their kids have special needs, some people their kids have allergies or dyslexia or whatever, and they want to give them a customized education. It's impossible to generalize about homeschooling and it's a different journey for everybody, and I keep hearing [45:54] stories all the time. I've heard a kid, one kid was in our group and I finally got the story of how he became home school, and he hated school he didn't like the kids he was with and he started Googling, 11 years old homeschooling, he talked his parents into homeschooling himself. So there's another path [46:12]
Michal: Yeah I like these stories, actually show us how many different directions we could have of this discussion, like what you mentioned about your wife not being totally on board, I can also see in our household too. Actually, my wife was very supporting in the act of cutting the TV cord pretty much from day one, but then with this homeschooling thing she's not totally on board yet, so maybe that could be a long discussion also about how to actually convince your spouse to...
Daniel: Here's what you do it's very simple, you sit down and you do work books with your kid and you put yourself in the same position I was in, and when your 5-year-old is doing multiplication, she will say...
Michal: I see but there's no way back, no way back.
Daniel: But what's the point of school, the point of school is to get your kid to know multiplication right. So why do you have to go, it's like these pro-athletes, I'm sorry, these college athletes who are going to play basket ball or football professionally, if they can get drafted as a freshman or soft-more and go play and make their millions, there's no reason for them to stay in school, they're only there so they can play sports in the first place. We only go to school to learn and ultimately to be able to make a living, and if we can take shortcuts then we would be crazy not to take them, especially when the long way there're no benefits. We can talk a little bit about homeschooling here, what I tell people is there's no tradeoffs, they think oh we're socially, actually it's better, it's more expensive, no it's actually cheaper. Homeschooling maybe you're patient, I'm not patient enough, so well people who aren't patient make the best homeschoolers actually. And so it's really one of these things where everything that most people assume about it is completely wrong, oh it will make my kid weird, well you actually want to have your kid weird you haven't thought that through yet and you'll see.
Daniel: So it's an amazing thing how people convince themselves, convince their spouses, but I have a bias towards acceleration honestly because there're 20 valid reasons to educate your child aggressively as a parent from a young age outside the system, they're 20 reasons for doing it and I do it for all 20 reasons. I do it so we can travel, I do it so we can raise moral kids, I do it so we can have tighter family bonds, I do it so that my kids can become entrepreneurs, so all 20 reasons I do it. But if you only do it for a couple reasons, say you do it just to get away from bullies at school, then you're setting yourself up for a little bit of frustration down the road. And again the reason I hyper-accelerate my kids is because life is difficult and I want to have a margin for error. I don't know how you grow up Michael but I grow up in...we didn't have much money growing up, and so my kids now they're growing up so much wealthier, multiples wealthier than I grew up. So they're not going to have the same burning ambition that I have, it's just impossible, they've already been to Italy, they can't dream about going to Italy their whole life, they've already been there a few times. And so that's a disadvantage that wealthy parents have raising their kids, but what we can do to compensate for that disadvantage is hyper-accelerate them as best as we can. So maybe they go out there and they don't have the same drive that we had when we were young, but you know what they have the skill set to fall back on when maybe they do see the light. So there's a lot of things going on here with education and with parenting and it's a ll about the end game, what do you want your kids to be like? Don't you have a loving responsibility to give them every advantage in life, I think every parents does whether they want to hear it or not, I think they do and I think your kids will appreciate whatever you do for them in furtherance of that.
Michal: Wow! There's so many great insights, I totally I can see how we could travel more if it would be homeschooling, just because now we're bound to the holidays and now we cannot really travel anytime we want even [50:44] quickly, we have very, very open policy, like we are not really bound to be [50:51] but still as both kids are going to the kindergarten so we cannot really travel. I can see there's a huge benefit to start homeschooling.
Daniel: Well let me just talk about that for a second because I talk to a guy and his income is a $100 million per year and he has two kids in finishing up kindergarten last year, he got homes in London, California and where he lives in Midwest of American, and he had to be home on Sunday night, didn't matter how much money he had, didn't matter how many homes he had, didn't matter the he had a $13 million private jet, he had to be home. So I actually convinced him to pull his kids out of school just for that reason, so what are mom and dad working for? They're working so that they can have money, what's that money for?
That's money is to buy them freedom and experiences, if you can't exercise that freedom, if you can't have those experiences especially when you're young it's meaningless, it's worthless, it's like having a winning lottery ticket that you don't cash in. And so that's what school does, it tethers people to that schedule and you may as well...if a parent is going to send their kids to school they may as well take out 10 years worth of calendars and just start Xin out entire months and see how narrow their windows are for travelling. And those school vacation weeks even worst, it's expensive to travel, it's crowded to travel and you're going to have to go places the kids want to go, you're going to have to go to Disney World especially if you're in America, or they might even have a soccer or football tournament that week that they have to go to. And so you're just forfeiting years if not decades of your life by thinking that my kids have to go to school and this is just what you do, no! They don't have to go to school, they should go to school and you wouldn't be successful in life if you settled, so don't settle for your kids. I have that article I wrote on LinkedIn, "Hey entrepreneurs 10 X of your kids too," and that to me is one of my core pieces, my core messages, my core...it's core content, a core message from me because I really believe that what we do our kids is so hypocritical, we tell our kids they have to, they have to learn math and go ask the parents if they know the quadratic formula, they don't even know it. But why are you putting your kids through that meat grinder that way, not to say that they don't need to know, I love math, but where parents telling kids you got to pay attention, you got to do what you're told, when maybe they're entrepreneurs and they don't pay attention to do what they're told in any way shape or form.
Daniel: So it's really about getting consistent with our kids and getting farsighted with our goals and that involves a little bit of a brain enema, and a little bit of flushing out of all the nonsense in life, most of the nonsense in life. And I can even argue that so much of society's problems, not to make this like a geopolitical statement or anything, are rooted in school. If you see people who are antisocial towards one another, I can guarantee you they had unhappy childhoods, and I can guarantee the unhappy childhoods is because they had no freedom when they were young, because they weren't allowed to spend time with their hobbies, they weren't outside enough, they were sitting too much, they were forced to associate with people in the school that they don't want to be around all day.
These things have long [permanifications] on a collective scale and also more importantly for your own kids, you can't take your child and force him into this meat grinder 18 years for a degree because that's what everybody else did and think that there's no collateral damage, there's going to be collateral damage and it's going to happen fast as well. Most of our friends have kids who are 10 and 13 years old and these kids are miserable, they have no attention span, they have no free time, they might play one instrument, they might practice 15 minutes every 2 or 3 days, my daughter plays 3 or 4 instruments well. These are the types of opportunities that you're forfeiting, like I said, you're forfeiting most of your calendar, you're forfeiting freedom, you're squandering your money, you're money is worthless if you can't spend it. You’re squandering your time with your kids, that's the other thing you're kids, you're going to blink your eyes and you’re kids are going to be 10 years old, you blink again they're going to be 18 they're going to be gone, and they're going to go out into the world, or they're going to be prepared or not, what's the most important decision your kids will ever make outside of religion if that's a... it's whom they marry, we haven't even talked about that. Our kids once they leave at 18 years old, parents all they get to do is pray that they don't marry an idiot or a dead beat, they don't get marry into an abusive relationship. And it happens, look at the divorce rates its massive.
Our kids are precious, their early years are precious, and that's the last thing I think I want to leave out there, is that their precious you have to acknowledge that you have to treat them like they're your most valuable long-term investment and your time with them is the most important thing you can give them. And so I would encourage everyone out there to do what Michaels doing and take a look at my stuff and think hard, long and hard about what’s going on. And to do that they might have to unplug themselves. We weren't raised to be farsighted enough, I think that's one of the things that, I think I was always naturally farsighted and that's led to me making some pretty good decisions when I was young, and it's led to me avoiding some pitfalls when I was young as well, but I could have been a lot better at it. My son is learning things at 10/12 that I learned at 40, and I think you can do the same for your kids as well.
Michal: Yeah I so often be sure that I would know something already 10 years ago the life would be so much different, but at least now we can teach our kids better. And I really like the things you talk about and there's so much more, you just mentioned masterminds and hyper-acceleration, chess, entrepreneurship, there're so many things we could discuss, but I want to be also mindful about the time, we agreed on 1 hour so maybe could wrap it now and we can have some follow-up session later about some of these other cool tings especially the hyper-acceleration and entrepreneurship, I know that you are very passionate about that and meanwhile maybe people can read more about what to do on your book.
Daniel: They can find me, you can Google me lots of stuff comes up, I write for a website call HSBA Posts, you can find me on LinkedIn, if you're interested you should connect with me on LinkedIn, you can look at einsteinblueprint.com, you can look at homeschooldad.com, you could even go to my son's website kidsgetrich.com and see what my 12-year-old son is up to.
Michal: That's a good one.
Daniel: Or he's got one homeschoolson.com, we're out there you can find us and I respond to phone calls and emails as much as I can and surprisingly very few people ask for help, I am somebody that most people like I said, want to avoid and this is why when you reached out to me Michael, this is the type of stuff I get really excited about, I get excited when I find my people and when my people find me because as you know, you're going to learn whatever percentage you think are really interested in accelerating their kids, or whatever percentage of people you think are ambitious parents, that number is only lower as you do more field work, you will see that it's lonely. But this is reality, we can't change this we can help people, we can put our stuff out there and what they do with it is up to them and I actually do pray for people because I see some of the ... I pray for some reality to sink in, and again we only have a small window of opportunity with our kids and it's tragic what's going on out there now with as Neil Postman said prophetically in 1983, people are literally walking off a cliff, society is walking off a cliff staring at their so-called Smartphone, and as parents and children alike and they're not aware of it because they just don't have the, how do you want to say, they don't have the intellectual machinery to look at things objectively and that's all because of how they're educated, it's not because people are born dumb, I think people are born geniuses, I think we all have infinite potential, but it can be squandered. That's it for me, Michael, thanks for having me.
Michal: Thank you very much.
Daniel: You can call me back anytime; I look forward doing this with you real soon.
Michal: Sure, I enjoyed the talk thanks a lot, fo your time, have a wonderful time in New York.
Daniel: Take care